385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Turning

Marissa Ferrer-Diaz & Regina Eusebio, radio personalities on Latino AM Rocky Mountain Radio radio  which enjoys thousands of  Latino listerners in 6 states:
New Mexico,Colorado,Nevada,Arizona,Californi a & Utah are reporting today that they have received an "astonishing" number of  close to 400 calls & emails in just 24 hours since the official kick-off of the " Clinton Supporters Count too " movement on the eve of May 14, 2008.

For those who are not familiar with this movement. Let me quote the actual words released to the media:

CLINTON SUPPORTERS COUNT TOO:

"This is the women's group leading a rebellion against the good old boys network of pundits and Democrat party operatives whose sexist assault on the first viable female presidential candidate continues to aid Barack Obama, the less qualified male candidate, over Hillary Clinton, the better qualified female candidate. The founders are a group of white, latino & african-american women who support Hillary Clinton. They are spread in battleground states with headquarters in Ohio. They will not support Senator Barack Obama in the fall."

Ms. Ferrer-Diaz expects an even large  swell of Latinos to come forward once the last primary state is completed & Obama is annointed as the nominee by the DNC.

Latino Activists in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio & even Illinois are reporting similar trends in just 24 hours. The same is happening in the northeast corridor of PA,NJ,MA & NY courtesy of Maria Eloisa Hidalgo in the East coast.

CSCT founders are appearing in O'Reilly & Larry King. The Ellen De Generes show is also reported interested in inviting them.
They are also slated to appear in Latino TV in California & New Mexico next week.

Obama better reach out to these people before its too late.

He is already weak among latinos, women & working class whites.

Now these 3 major blocks of the democratic party have a venue to unite & possibly damage his candidacy big time.

This will get very big quickly if not addressed.

He is already weak as it is with these traditional groups. This will only damage him more.

The email for this democratic clinton supporters group is:

HCFPinOH@gmail.com

Ben Smith has talks about them:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/Clinton_backer_backlash.html

   



Display:


Helping elect a right-wing GOP candidate (1.60 / 5)

because of a tantrum not a legitimate beef is pretty pathetic. And no, it's not a legitimate beef, they all played by the same rules and the Clintons (husband and wife) lost.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:06:06 PM EST

Sad little TRs. It won't help you but I hope it (2.00 / 3)

makes you feel better.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:10:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (2.00 / 4)

I see you're back in the threads being as obnoxious to Clinton supporters as you can possibly be.  You just keep on NOT getting the point and you can watch your candidate lose in November.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:24:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (2.00 / 1)

And what is the point of a group that won't vote for Obama because they support a candidate who won't be on the ballot?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:25:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (2.00 / 1)

Pointing out facts is not obnoxious. It's necessary to shake the delusion off of some Democrats. If you're not a Democrat then the facts aren't aimed at you.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:28:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (2.00 / 1)

This person is a troll. I've seen him around causing trouble. He's been trying to stir up the "latinos don't have love for Obama" crap for the longest time. I have my reservations about his truthfulness.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:35:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (2.00 / 1)

Indeed, he demanded the Latino vote would put Clinton over in North Carolina, and she'd win it. He suggested a Latino I worked with in NC was a traitor, as well. Ahh, trolls.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:57:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (none / 0)

Well he's just taking his cue from his leader I guess. Since Clinton started that meme.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:53:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sad little TRs. (none / 0)

Question...regarding "this person is a troll"... are you talking about HeresJohnny or me?  Because I'm not a troll nor have I ever posted about Obama or Latinos.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:26:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Guess you don't want Obama to win (2.00 / 1)

You'd rather dismiss people who support Hillary than acknowledge them. Winning the primary, and insulting Hillary supporters, more important than winning the G.E. Interesting strategy.


by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:07:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Guess you don't want Obama to win (none / 0)

Really? When articles appearing showing that African-Americans would sit this out if they felt the nomination was stolen from Obama because he's too black or whatever MyDDits dismissed it out of hand.

Most people who support Hillary aren't petty children.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:52:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Haven't seen those articles (none / 0)

But I don't doubt that's true. They make up a pretty small portion of the population.


by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:04:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

Whatever.

Just discount the majority of women under 65 who voted for Obama in favor of propagating a line that will injure women candidates far into the future.

Clinton staffers don't think sexism was a factor in her failure to win the nomination -- They have lots of interesting things to say - Take a look http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

BTW, Do you really think Hillary approves of this sort of thing?  It's completely inconsistent with what she's said about beating McCain.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:07:25 PM EST

Interesting article (none / 0)

It's too bad they had to be anonymous... I'm sure we'll hear more and more of this facinating campaign after the election is resolved and books start coming out.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:26:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oops.. more bullcrap PM (2.00 / 1)

the majority of women under 30 may not have voted for Clinton, but the majority of women under 65 certainly have.  

Obama 248
McCain 290

Hillary 290
McCain 248

Truth is that Obama is an almost sure loser in November and some of us are trying to stop the disaster before it happens.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

have a talk with some people.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:09:23 PM EST

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (2.00 / 2)

Ah, when Hillary Clinton received an amazing 49% of the Hispanic vote in Illinois against IL's Rockstar without campaigning in the state I believe says it all.

When half of these hispanics living in IL voted for Clinton over the state superstar Obama ( even if she did not visit the state) while Obama won the white & black vote by a landslide says it all.

By the way, I am in Ohio.

Every morning new outlet had this group on the news. The actual press con had not only white,black, hispanic women but also white men.

All very angry registered democrats.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

Why is that meaningful to what I am talking asking for?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:19:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

*asking for


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:19:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

It's really hard when your candidate loses. But she lost because Obama won more delegates.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

By the way, I do not support them myself.

I plan to vote for Sen. Obama in the Fall.

However, there are a whole lot of Ohioan democrats in both my professional network & civic network of friends who will absolutely vote for McCain in November. They are obviously very unhappy with Obama.

The only good news they plan to support the rest of the democratic ticket for Congress.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:23:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Show me your evidence about IL, I need to go (none / 0)

Then blood is on their hands if McCain wins. But that's certainly their right.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:29:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can't wait for my hands to turn red. (2.00 / 1)


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:44:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Can't wait for my hands to turn red. (none / 0)

Then I hope you write to the parent of every person killed in Iraq since your vote enabled the war to go on and on.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:49:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

beyond the pale (none / 0)

and completely unncecessary. You provide to me the proof that the chosen one will bring the troops home.  And how many soldiers' blood is on Obama's hands because he voted to continue to fund the war?


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:49:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Can't wait for my hands to turn red. (none / 0)

The perhaps you should join the military since you're so cavalier about death.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:52:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

and maybe you should (none / 0)

since your comment has nothing to do with this diary.  You are trying to start an argument now by accusing anyone who does not support obama as "supporting the war" and responsible for deaths of thousands.

I think your label of cavalier applies strictly to yourself.  You obviously don't care to respond to anything except with an insult.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:52:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and maybe you should (none / 0)

Sorry. CC welcomes the blood on her/his hands. You're confused.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:54:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Soldier of Fortune magazine renewal due (none / 0)

Fantasizing about being ready for those protest marches again?


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:07:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh (2.00 / 1)

How did Hillary win key city wards?
BOSSES | Pledges for Obama fall short: Clinton, Alvarez 'were just very popular with Latinos and women'

Illinois Democratic Party leader Mike Madigan's 13th Ward on the Southwest Side went the same way. Aldermen Ed Burke (14th) and Dick Mell (33rd) both backed Obama and Allen, but voters in their wards did not.

"Clearly on the Southwest Side, the emerging force of the Latino vote -- [Clinton and Alvarez] were just very popular with Latinos and women," Burke said.

Both Burke's and Mell's wards are heavily Hispanic, and Obama has lower support among Latinos than from African-American or white voters, exit polls have shown.

Twenty years after the city voted along starkly racial lines in Mayor Harold Washington's first election, Obama surprised some skeptics by winning Northwest Side and Southwest Side white wards in his 2004 Democratic primary election against State Comptroller Dan Hynes and Maria Pappas -- among other white opponents.

But on Tuesday, most of those same white voters on the Northwest and Southwest Sides voted for Clinton over their own senator. The white lakefront wards went for Obama and for Larry Suffredin in the state's attorney race. African-American wards went for Obama and Ald. Howard Brookins in the state's attorney race.

Latino elected officials have long waited for Hispanics' voting strength to catch up with their share of the population. In a severely splintered race, they may finally have achieved it. Alvarez squeaked by with 26 percent of the vote in a crowded field.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/7 87281,CST-NWS-dems11.article


"Barack did Hillary just like he did Alice Palmer. He was 'riding dirty'"
by LatinoVoter on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:20:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Qualifications (none / 0)

There's only one qualification for becoming the Democratic nominee for the office of President of the United States of America:

1. Win the Democratic Primary by winning the most delegates.

Please let me know how Hillary Clinton has better qualifications to be the Democratic nominee for the office of President of the United States.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:09:44 PM EST

Re: Qualifications (1.50 / 2)

"There's only one qualification for becoming the Democratic nominee for the office of President of the United States of America:

1. Win the Democratic Primary by winning the most delegates."

So now that an inexperienced turnip has won the nomination (the miracle of marketing), you expect us to go along with it? Ignore us at your own peril, but we are not on board.


by 07rescue on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:57:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see. (none / 0)

So now that an inexperienced turnip has won the nomination

Obama is a vegetable now, eh?

I don't generally troll-rate, but this is about as egregious an insult on our candidate as I've seen.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:16:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Qualifications (none / 0)

You get what you deserve and if that's John McSame, a draft, and more war because of your petty childish actions then so be it.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:56:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

You know, if this group actually undermines Obama in a significant way, Hillary Clinton's reputation and her future will be severely injured.

The only way she has a chance at a major future role in the Democratic party - president, vice-president, Senate majority leader - is if the party's elected officials believe that she has done everything she can to help Obama get elected.  If did anything but try her hardest to get the group to disband, she's be done in national politics except as a weak senator, to be kept on unimportant committees.

Either the group is incredibly politically naive and doesn't realize this or they are just a stalking horse for Republicans.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:23:28 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

I think Clinton will work her butt off for Obama.
Secondly, I am sure that she will address this group strongly.

But with all that, Clinton is not Bradley of 2000 or Edwards of 2004.

Literally half of all americans who voted in the Democratic primary supporter her. But even bigger is, more registered democrats would have voted for her over Obama when this primary ends.

No matter who much Obama supporters would like to threaten her with her future in democratic politics, she literally & figuratively has a VERY LARGE BASE of Democrats supporting her.

This will not just disappear. Especially if Obama losses in November.

If Edwards was able to mount a run in '08 based on his '04 support, wait until Hillary does her thing if she wants to in 2012.

She will work her butt for Obama. But if Obama fails, no one can blame her for that.

Lets get that straight.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:30:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Her base is meaningless if she's marginalized in DC because of the actions of her rabid "supporters". She'll be a senator and get the cold shoulder. That will render her less effective in her job. Her supporters can't do anything about that.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:32:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (1.00 / 1)

Listen, who says its meaningless.

Kos & Howard Dean?

The power & the voters have the power.

Obama would not be here today if not for 92% of blacks voting for him across the country.

It always boils down to the voters.

Besides, Majority of the Democratic National Committee members are very close to the Clintons.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:38:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

What are they going to do if she's marginalized in DC? How would they even know?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:51:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She's not to blame for her supporters... (none / 0)

...at least not unless she's actively telling them to do these things... which I doubt.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:21:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She's not to blame for her supporters... (none / 0)

I doubt it too but should her supporters somehow (and I don't think that it's possible) actively help McCain become president it'll fall on her head.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:22:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Eh, they'll just blame it on us (none / 0)

Once we start getting into "supporter" arguments, everybody loses.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:26:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, they'll just blame it on us (none / 0)

If supporters are trying to actively sabotage the party that should be pointed out and ridiculed. Now if they're just arguing back and forth who cares.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:31:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

"She will work her butt for Obama. But if Obama fails, no one can blame her for that."

Agreed -- If she denounces this group and gets them and others of their type to disband.  But if she tacitly lets them move forward, she will face real problems within the party.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:33:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Seems to me that the party has already done everything in there power to stop Hillary. I am not sure threats of, "If you don't play nice you won't get to be x,y or z" really carry any weight. Hillary was a "good democrat" for 20+ years and look how they have treated her. She must really believe in the party to not run as an independant at this point


Voices in the Wilderness
by Wiseprince on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:07:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

What threats did the party make and how did they do everything than can to stop her? Please be specific names and dates and facts would be nice.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:16:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd have been calling for Hillary to step out for Months now. This after all she has done for the party. The point really is, what are they going to do to her? Tell her and her 16 million votes that she won't have a say in the next administration? How do you think that would play the the more conservative democrats?


Voices in the Wilderness
by Wiseprince on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:55:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

All she has done for the party? What's that?

Also, where are the threats? Telling her it's over isn't a threat.

You don't care about Obama or his voters so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:59:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

don't play dumb (none / 0)

if that's all you got, then you've got nothing.  All you're doing is hijacking the thread.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:55:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: don't play dumb (none / 0)

You seem to miss by 1 comment every time.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:01:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Exactly. That's why I think it's a GOP front. Any damage to Obama will be blamed on Clinton and will destroy whatever standing she has left.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:30:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

No, do you think Reagan Democrats are some GOP front ?

They are real my friend. Millions of them gave us heartburn & tears in the 80's.

Just because they plan to not support Obama does not make them Republicans.

There are Republicans who will crossover & vote for Obama. In fact thats Obama's selling point.

It just so happen that there will be much more Democrats who may abandon Obama.

The leaders of this Clinton movement in Columbus & Cincy were very big democratic activists who worked hard for the victory of Governor Strickland & Senator Brown.

Two of them are former democratic councilors.

They are real democrats who happen to be angry.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:37:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

When do Reagan Democrats, who vote for the GOP, simply become Republicans?

Destroy Clinton's legacy if they want. That's up to them.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:51:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

"if this group actually undermines Obama in a significant way, Hillary Clinton's reputation and her future will be severely injured."

You totally don't get it at all, do you. Hillary Clinton is not to blame for Obama's lack of any qualifications for the office of the presidency, and many Democrats despise that the party has gone along with his candidacy. We aren't going to support someone we do not trust at all, especially after how he has won.I will never, ever support a candidate who's campaign has called me and my fellow Clinton supporters "racist" in order to snare the nomination. That has been obscene. Never will I support him, period.


by 07rescue on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:02:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's odd (none / 0)

since neither Obama nor his campaign has called Clinton supporters racist.


by JJE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:52:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

is this snark? (none / 0)

because  you obviously didn't get the treatment HRC got or her supporters--even right now right here on this thread.


by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama posted in this thread? (none / 0)

where?  You do realize there's a difference between "Obama and his campaign" and "some people on blogs", don't you?

The incessant conflation of Obama and his campaign with everyone who supports him on the internet is risible and does not reflect well on either the intellect or honesty of the people who do it.


by JJE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

I can't understand how this group is possibly being discussed in a positive light. It's predicated on the assumption that Sen. Obama will be the nominee, and it's sole reason for existence is to try and ensure that who they believe will be the Democratic nominee for president is not elected.

What exactly is the difference between this group and a Republican 527?


by werehippy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:26:32 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

its called democracy my friend.

They are democrats just like you & me.

They have a right to voice their opinions.

Ask Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton. They are experts at this game.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:32:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson tried to get Republican presidents elected? You're confused.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:33:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

Confused.

Remember "Run Jesse Run". "What does Jesse want"
How old are you ?

You must be too young for all this.

Ask Michael Dukakis. He'll remember


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

That was his slogan for the nomination. But he wasn't the nominee.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:44:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

I'm 40 and your point isn't on point as pointed out below.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:54:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Or above I guess.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:04:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

They certainly are free to believe whatever they want, but that has nothing at all to do with whether we here at a progressive site should be praising them. Specifically, if this is what they really believe and is not just a stunt, they in fact aren't Democrats like you and me. At best they're Democrats like Lieberman.

Just because you couch your angry instincts in the language of the victims of inequality doesn't make your claims valid, automatically put you on the same level as veterans of the civil rights movement, or make your actions anything other than self destructive indulgence. I can't recall Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton trying to screw the party on the national level because their preferred candidate didn't win.

I'm still waiting for the explanation as to why you and others in this thread are happily praising a group dedicated to stopping the election of the person they believe to be the presumptive Democratic nominee.


by werehippy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:49:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 2)

if Obama cannot get working class whites, latinos, seniors and women, how come Dems pushing him?
Dems even do no understand major tendencies in US population: more lations, more seniors and more women each year.
Guess what: GOPs won class war and middle class is disappearing, means white working class is growing too.
Dems with Obama ignoring where they base can grow - Dems falling into Obama trap!
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:37:58 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Is it your position that Clinton could not get the liberal, the educated, the young, or the African-American vote in the GE? It has to be for you to be consistent you know. So I hope your answer is yes.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:24:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 2)

my position is very simple: Obama brainwashed AA & kids with hopeshit & changeshit and stole their vote from Hillary with this BS and caucus fraud.
If Obama out of picture they will vote for Hillary. About educated it is a huge myth: I and my friends much more educated than most of Obama followers, it is why we are not falling into Obama trap.
Again: Obama is a very bad for Democrats - they regret for many years to come this disaster.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:37:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (1.00 / 1)

Hahahah. That's the most stupid argument I've seen on the topic yet. Nice to know that you think African-Americans are a) dumb and b) to be taken for granted. Same for the rest of his coalition I guess. And no, it's not a huge myth that he does better with educated voters. What you just said was a myth though.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:49:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

you putting word in my mouth; i did not said they dumb; i said they are brainwashed. educated voters with bachelor degree and 2.2 GPA also vulnerable to BS. Best example: 89% of Americans (many of them so called educated) still think that god exists.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:58:36 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Hahahaha. Brainwashed. Do you even understand what that means and how it's accomplished? Now you know the GPA of Obama voters! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahah


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:51:17 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (2.00 / 3)

Marissa Ferrer-Diaz & Regina Eusebio, radio personalities on Latino AM Rocky Mountain Radio radio  which enjoys thousands of  Latino listerners in 6 states:
New Mexico,Colorado,Nevada,Arizona,Californi a & Utah are reporting today that they have received an "astonishing" number of  close to 400 calls & emails in just 24 hours since the official kick-off of the " Clinton Supporters Count too " movement on the eve of May 14, 2008.

I take it you think this is a good thing?
Permiso - if you don't mind me asking - what Party do you belong to?

Anyway,  whatever; there will be enough indies and former republicans crossing over in the opposite direction to counterbalance your 400 Latinas.

They should change their names however to "Mujeres Reaccionarias".  

Oh - one other note - as a former radio broadcaster/radio show host - 400 phone calls and emails is a pretty low number for a broadcast area of six states.  

I used to get more calls than that in one hour of fundraising on one Pacifica station.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:38:55 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos (2.00 / 2)

400 for 1 day.

A virtually unknown group that just launched. Website not even up yet.

I;m a business owner. Do you realize what 1,000, 3000, 5000 to start in 30 days will damage Obama?

He has enough problems connecting.

The worse anyone can do is dismiss this.

This is exactly how the signs of Reagan democrats started in the 80's.

With the internet today, this will even go faster.

This is serious.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:44:22 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

You clearly know nothing about Reagan Democrats, which was not an organization but the name given by pundits to a group of voters.

And 400 in one day is not a lot of people.  It really isn't.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:45:49 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (2.00 / 1)

okay.

we shall see.

keep convincing yourself

while these people keep appearing on TV.

P.S. If I had 400 customers in 24 hours without my business even opening yet- I WOULD BE WEALTHY!

400 among these hispanics in 1 day. Can you imagine how many white voters?

Please do not lecture me about Reagan democrats.

I am too old to be lecture by some 25 yr old blogger.

Myabe I can teach you how to own businesses in 4 states & give six figures to my democratic party.

Instead of typing all day .


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:49:16 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

Of course Sen. Obama will address this demographic, because despite what one might think reading the comments here he's a skilled politician and has earned his spot as the nominee.

The question is why exactly do you and others seem happy to see this? Where are the list of issues this group would like addressed? What substantive dialogue are they trying to create? All I see is a group of people claiming that their preference could not possibly have not been the preference of the majority and lashing out.


by werehippy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:56:45 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

lol. What an elitist comment. If you're so rich I hope you donate a ton to help Clinon pay off Penn.  


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:59:32 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (2.00 / 1)

I'd rather donate to Obama for November.

By the way Johnny, this is america.

People are allowed to be the best they can be.

It is not a crime or a sin to become wealthy.

If not for Wealthy Democrats, we would not be competiting with the GOP all these years.

The Hollywood money, Rezko money- all the same green.

I am not going to apologize to you for giving my hard earned money to my party.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:06:39 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

A but it's a crime to pretend that it makes you special. Because it doesn't. Hard work is the single mother with 2 jobs who still lives in poverty. That's hard work. I'm a lawyer. That's not hard work. It's just work.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:11:34 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (2.00 / 2)

"I take it you think this is a good thing?"

This is a wonderful thing, I signed up immediately for the group. It means people are fighting the horrible turn the Democratic Party has traken, throwing women under the bus, then expecting them to roll over an open their [wallets] for Obama. No in this lifetime!


by 07rescue on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:04:49 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

When were women thrown under the bus and how? Please be specific.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:12:10 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos (none / 0)

Well I'm female, 60 and not under a bus - though I had to ride in the back of one pre Rosa Parks.

So since you seem to be one of those folks who thinks that's okay too - I hope you live long enough to grow up and understand the implications of what you've just said.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:24:20 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (1.50 / 2)

When my 4-yr-old throws a tantrum, we ignore him till he calms down. If he doesn't, we just do the opposite -- usually leaving the store and taking him home. If he gets violent, when we go home, there's a time-out.

This, too, is a tantrum. Sad and ignorable. No one is saying these peoples' vote doesn't count. They're just following the existing rules. Rules aren't always fair, and there's a way to change them. But blaming the winner for a fair loss is a tantrum. And by threatening the Democrats in the election, they are behaving like thugs, and as such need to sit on the stairs for a number of minutes equal to their age.

My son has a 4-minute time out now. These folks would have... how long?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:43:48 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (2.00 / 1)

Millions of White Reagan Democrats & Latinos is NOT you 4 year old baby.

Big difference

A brat cannot vote. A brat cannot deny the presidency.

Millions of these "bitter" & brown voters can.

They've done it before.


by labanman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:46:06 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (2.00 / 1)

You don't vote to "deny" the presidency, you vote to decide who will be president.

If voters like Bush's policies, they should vote for McCain.

If voters like Clinton's policies, they should vote for Obama.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:47:36 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (none / 0)

You keep bringing up Reagan Democrats as if they're some how the base of the party. They're Republicans.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:32:31 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (none / 0)

Maybe 4 weeks will be enough.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:46:16 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (2.00 / 1)

But there's one big difference. You don't need your 4-year old's vote, or even his approval. You run an authoritarian dictatorship in your home.

However, this country is a republican democracy and no presidential candidate has luxury of ignoring the demands of the voters, or sending them to a time-out.

American voters are adults and will do whatever they damn well please. Any candidate or political party that ignores this does so at their own peril.


by LakersFan on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:42:07 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos join in a silly tantrum (none / 0)

Thank God Obama never said certain voters and states don't count because they voted for Clinton.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:50:19 PM EST
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This sounds similar in tone (none / 0)

to the email campaign to the Supers that was driven by some of the more crazed pro-Clinton sites.  I predict it will be equally effective.

Also, why is it only "white, latino, and african-american women"?  What does the group have against Asian women?


by JJE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:49:55 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)


by JJE on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:52:14 PM EST

I just signed up. (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the information.  I'll pass it along.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:53:14 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Sounds like a foot stomping temper tantrum and sour grapes. Do they think the Superdelegates are stupid?


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:53:30 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (2.00 / 1)

When you lose big time in November you won't be smirking and tossing around demeaning comments any longer.


by 07rescue on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:06:26 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!-Wheels are Tu (none / 0)

Big time? You insult Democrats with that implication.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:25:20 PM EST
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We're not going to lose "big time." (none / 0)

You haven't been paying much attention this year so far, have you?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:25:27 PM EST
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Democrat party? n/t (2.00 / 1)


by ameridad on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:05:32 PM EST

Re: Democrat party? n/t (none / 0)

Ahhh! The clue and I missed it! Gop front group.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:26:04 PM EST
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Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours!- (none / 0)

All these people would be better offf going against McCain.  The primary is over.


by Spanky on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM EST

Subject is too long (none / 0)

Or so the computer says.

I couldn't agree more.


by xdem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:50:56 PM EST

Re: 385 Latinos Sign-up in 24 Hours! (none / 0)

Yeah.  Let's vote McCain over Obama in the general election because McCain shares the same values and issues as Clinton.

Oh wait...


by RussTC3 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:00:39 PM EST

How do we sign up? (2.00 / 2)

Is there a website to add our support?  We need to let our Party know that they can't take us for granted, and we're willing to push back to support Clinton.  This whole race has been a sham---between the sexism and the MSM being in the tank for Obama.  In my lifetime, I've never seen such an abuse of the democratic process.


by izarradar on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:12:03 PM EST

Asian-American women too! Woohoo! (2.00 / 2)

Great job, love to see this. My neighbor is a black woman for Hillary. She thinks Obama is sent by the Repubs to mess things up for us.


by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:22:09 PM EST

Latino, Latina, Women, Working-Class protest (2.00 / 1)

Is called "democracy."  All of you critics of this movement have forgotten what democracy is all about.  This is a facet of the Obama supporters that is very troublesome and these protesters recognize the effort by his supporters to suppress or to label those who don't support their candidate as racist, or reactionary, or anything else that doesn't fall into the Obama mind-set.  Many of the websites, Dkos, Huffpo, TPM who have bloggers that have ratcheted up the hatred and vitriol again Hillary, have been started by former Republicans---originators of the hate/low-level attack machine.  I guess you can take the Republican out of of the party, but you can't take the Republican vitriol out of the "new" Democrat.  I've voted Democrat all my life, involved in many campaigns, and have never seen the vitriolic attacks against another Democrat that has happened against Hillary.  Now Obama and Donna Brazile are trying to remake the Democratic Party in their own images---more Republicans/Independents and forget about the Dem. base.  They have taken advice from the Rove play-book---attack their strengths and criticize their choices.  This seems like a very short-sighted political strategy.  If many defect from the Party, it's not the Democratic base's or Hillary's fault, but the fault of Obama, Brazile,, Axelrove.  My son works with many Latinos and he has told me that they basically see right through Obama, see his phoniness/opportunism and they have said that they won't be fooled by it.  That's why they support Hillary.  McCain's immigration policies really appeal to that demographic and so will have no problem defecting in November.  


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:33:22 PM EST


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